Legislature(1995 - 1996)

03/20/1995 06:10 PM House FSH

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 HFSH - 03/20/95                                                               
 HCR 12 - UPPER COOK INLET SALMON FISHERIES MGN'T                            
                                                                               
 Number 022                                                                    
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE BEVERLY MASEK, PRIME SPONSOR OF HCR 12, testified,             
 "I am here before you today because a vital resource is in a crisis           
 situation.  I use the term 'vital' because there is a large economy           
 built upon this resource.  An economy which starts at the dinner              
 table of Alaskan families and extends outward to those whose                  
 livelihood depends on a healthy resource.  We can all agree there             
 is a critical problem with king salmon in Upper Cook Inlet.  We can           
 all agree serious measures are needed to correct the problem.  The            
 sport fish users in my district are very upset.  The people who               
 bring fish home to their families are very upset.  They are upset             
 because this has happened.  They are upset because they are losing            
 fish and an important economy but they have all agreed to support             
 the closures and reductions to save the resource.  Mr. Chairman               
 this resolution is asking the board to look very closely at this              
 crisis, to determine what other measures may be necessary to build            
 back as rapidly as possible, a threatened resource.  I feel it is             
 wrong to zero one user group out and let other user groups continue           
 to take fish needed for escapement.  It is wrong to cripple one               
 economy and let another continue to fish if they are taking Susitna           
 Bound Kings.  If the Board has made a mistake with management do              
 not make my constituents absorb all the damage.  This resolution,             
 this committee, can not solve this crisis.  But it can act so the             
 board is sent a clear message.  A message to revisit this issue.              
 To make sure everything is being done to assist the resource that             
 can be done.  A message to not let this happen again.  If over                
 harvest is the problem then do not let it happen again.  If                   
 intercept fisheries are the problem do not let them continue.                 
 Finally, this resolution will hopefully help to get the Governor              
 involved in the issue.  My constituents back home are feeling                 
 neglected by this Administration.  Imagine for a moment that these            
 are your district businesses, livelihoods, and traditional family             
 activities being zeroed out.  Mr. Chairman, I ask this committee to           
 assist me on behalf of the resource in bringing all parties to the            
 table to accomplish this critical task.  If the language of this              
 resolution can be better drafted to accomplish this goal, I                   
 encourage you as chairman to use your prerogative to accomplish               
 this.  I do ask in the interest of time to expedite this                      
 resolution.  We must request the board to act before any more kings           
 are taken by anyone.  We can work out allocation issues after the             
 resource is healthy again.  But now we must act.  We must                     
 concentrate on the resource.  I am not a biologist, not an expert             
 on any of the details.  I am however, fully committed to bring all            
 those parties together.  We must quit using outdated management               
 plans which have little relevance to the problems we are facing               
 today in the Northern Districts of Cook Inlet.  Human populations             
 have increased dramatically in Upper Cook Inlet over the last ten             
 years, and yet the board still has not developed a new allocation             
 plan for making allocation decisions.  It is time for us to provide           
 a serious nudge to those who allocate our resources.  It is time we           
 explain that the legislature, not the board has to ultimately                 
 accepted the blame if they, the board, fail.  It is the legislature           
 that confirms appointees and gives the board its authority and                
 guidelines.  Not the other way around.  We are, whether we like it            
 or not, where the fish buck stops."                                           
                                                                               
 Number 137                                                                    
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN AUSTERMAN brought forth a committee substitute for HCR 12.           
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE CARL MOSES moved that the CS be adopted.                       
                                                                               
 There were no objections.                                                     
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN AUSTERMAN ascertained that the sponsor was familiar with             
 the committee substitute adopted.                                             
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE MASEK indicated her familiarity and said, "As in my            
 previous statement, I encourage you to do what you can to help                
 bring the issues on the table and I support your CS."                         
                                                                               
 Number 178                                                                    
                                                                               
 JERRY MCCUNE, PRESIDENT, United Fishermen of Alaska, testified                
 saying, "I've had a chance to read the CS and I appreciate some of            
 the things that were changed in it but still our organization is              
 opposed to this resolution and there are several reasons why.  It's           
 not for the good of the resource.  We're always for the good of the           
 resource and also for (solving) the problems in the Cook Inlet.               
 Particularly one stock, we're talking one or two stocks, we're not            
 talking all the stocks of Cook Inlet are in crisis.  We've seen a             
 lot of presentations, habitat presentations, everybody's view and             
 Fish and Game's view and our policy at the UFA is to keep the                 
 legislature and the Governor out of the fish arena.  This is the              
 Board of Fish and the Department of Fish and Game's issue.  A lot             
 of these things are governed by this, Title 16, Alaska Statutes.              
 In this book here are the guidelines for sustained yield,                     
 allocation plans in the different uses.  I think, if I'm not                  
 mistaken, there are 4 or 5 different management plans on the Kenai            
 River, all different stocks.  So it's a complex problem and just to           
 deal from one segment is very hard.  I'm for the message of yes,              
 the Department should do all they can, the users should do all they           
 can and the state of Alaska should do all they can to make sure               
 that the stocks are healthy. And that's under Title 16 that's the             
 Department of Fish and Games mandate, the first thing is, sustained           
 yield.  So if there's a problem with sustained yield which we don't           
 quite know yet because the way I understand it is this is the first           
 year that the stocks have declined that far on the Deshka, king               
 salmon.  We also need the tools.  And this gets back to all the               
 budget talks that we've had around the state here and we see what's           
 going to happen most likely to the Fish and Game budget here.  We             
 need these tools, weirs, index studies, not only in the Kenai, we             
 need them around the other river systems."                                    
                                                                               
 Number 231                                                                    
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE ELTON said he appreciated the work that went into              
 the committee substitute as it is more "palatable".  He then added,           
 "The problem that I've got is the resolves.  We're resolving that             
 we're going to spend more money.  We're resolving that we're going            
 to divert time and energy from an already stressed staff support              
 system.  I mean, where does that additional effort come from," and,           
 "I know that we have interception problems elsewhere around the               
 state, and frankly, what we're doing as a legislature, if we pass             
 this, we're setting allocation priorities and that bothers me."               
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN AUSTERMAN agreed with Representative Elton.  He said,                
 "There is a priority problem as far as monies being allocated to              
 Fish and Game for example because I think the resource, fish                  
 resource, in this state is so vast and so great, and the benefit to           
 this state is so vast and so great as far as that resource is                 
 concerned that we are constantly cutting our own throat as far as             
 the fisheries are concerned by under funding Fish and Game and                
 their ability to research and figure out exactly what's happening             
 with that resource.  That's one reason I guess that I do favor the            
 CS. Like you, this is more palatable than the original document               
 because I had a little bit of a problem with that but at the same             
 point in time, this doesn't necessarily delve into the allocation             
 issue, I don't think, so much as it delves into more emphasis on              
 taking care of that important resource.  Whether the governor gets            
 involved or not, we have to as a legislature spend more time paying           
 attention to it and maybe put more funds into it."                            
                                                                               
 Number 288                                                                    
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE ELTON agreed and said, "This is an allocation, one             
 step removed.  An example that I'll use is there is a proposal to             
 cut the habitat division by a third which essentially means that              
 we're going to be sending sportfish biologists and commercial fish            
 biologists out to make determinations on what trees can be taken              
 out of a stream set aside.  There's a work group that was requested           
 by the Board of Fish on the Kodiak-Cook Inlet situation that they             
 just had.  That further reduces the amount of staff resources that            
 can be done.  And if we then add this as a priority for the                   
 department, that further cuts it.  So what we are doing, one step             
 removed, is we are making an allocation decision and we're saying             
 that these things are things that the legislature is mandating and            
 because of that we're going to have less attention paid elsewhere.            
 And I'm not so sure that we should be substituting the                        
 legislature's judgement on what need to be addressed first.  I'm              
 much more comfortable leaving that in the hands of the Board of               
 Fish and the department than I am to the whims of the political               
 winds."                                                                       
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN AUSTERMAN pointed out that lines 10 and 11, on page 2 of             
 the CS, refers to a development of a "long-range management plan              
 for the protection and sustainable yield of the salmon stocks of              
 the upper Cook Inlet area."                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE CARL MOSES said, "I do get concerned when (we) infer           
 that somebody else is catching their fish.  When I first served in            
 the legislature 30 years ago, that was a big issue between Bristol            
 Bay and False Pass and interestingly enough, since then Bristol Bay           
 has had some major runs (that) broke all records.  Apparently, it             
 wasn't the False Pass fishery.  Throughout the state we have the              
 same problem, everybody's accusing their brothers of catching their           
 fish."                                                                        
                                                                               
 Number 365                                                                    
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN AUSTERMAN asked if a motion was in order.  There being no            
 motion forthcoming, he tabled the CS for HCR 12.                              
                                                                               

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